many outsiders see good in the w.t.
and many insiders see good in the w.t.. so is not the w:t like any other organisation based on idealisam and growth.
acolytes.
That is easy (or ought to be!)
The WTS claims to be RIGHT -and everyone else to be WRONG!
In fact, they are guilty of the very same crimes that they lambast everyone else for committing
(Including - but not limited to - false prophecy. Commmitted by anybody else, it IS false propehcy. Committed by the WTS, it is "New Light)
Bill.
why the breakdown .my mate and i are growing apart.. before you follow the advice of this publication.read the following.. robert and mary have been married for 30 years.they have a lovely daughter jennifer and a son ryan.robert,says we were a very happy family doing things together.like reading the bible,praying, going to church,weddings, funerals,christmas parties,get together with friends,vacations etc,etc.however,all that changed when mary joined the watchtower cult.now my wife declines all the above activities.all she does is read the wt/a mags.we now fight everday and are not happy.. just imagine mary said she will not go jennifers wedding because she was told by the publishers of the wt that our church is babylon the great,a whore and evil.
see wt 07/10/15 p27 and wt 05/02 qfr.. i believe their advice is hypocritical and would in fact cause this family to grow apart.they would end up in divorce court.the wife is brain-washed.after the divorce she would disown the family and will the estate and money to the wbts.. b.
Whatever makes a marriage last, you won't find it in any WTS publication.
What would seven old fossils in Brooklyn know about human relationships - or anything else to do with human relationships, for that matter?
The best techniques of selling literature have sweet Fanny Adams to do with anything else, including marriage guidance!
Bill.
i rang a sister who i haven't spoken to for years who said "she couldn't talk since she was cooking for the c.o and his wife who have special dietary needs......was this like a royal visits at your cong and whats with the "we can't eat flour, or yeast" or blah blah blah!
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It must have appeared that way to many!
I can recall some in the congregation with their noses right out of joint, when they did not get to host the CO for a meal.
Bill.
i've noticed quite a few dissidents of jehovah's organization that have left with some fixation on jehovah's witnesses concept of new light.
i really don't understand.
the antiquity of religion may be historically educational, but not always personally illuminating.
Real scholars of the bible - NOT the pseudo, Watchtower Society type "scholars" - are in agreement that Proverbs 4:18 is indeed talking about an individual's spiritual development.
N.H. Knorr is credited with seizing on this bible verse in an attempt to justify the WTS's frequent changing of doctrines:
- not to mention its frequent need to revise its interpretations of bible prohecy, when these have failed repeatedly.
Well has this so-called "brightening light" been more accurately described as a "Flashing Light", like the WTS is unable to make up its mind.
Better call in the electricians!
Bill.
i see some here who seem to despise the religion.
others seem to feel that witnesses are wacky but they don't hate them.. do you hate this religion?.
With a passion!
Bill.
i know that some of you might think that i really should be reading the wt but with a husband still in and being that i am still very tied to the religion though him i want to know what is up with them in some ways.. the march 15th wt made me feel sick.
on page 5 it was talking about how we need to wait on jehovah.
it was really the same old stuff but i feel with a different twist.
All this nonsense would be quite laughable - were it not for the fact that anybody who takes it seriously is going to harm themselves.
They have been preaching the same cracked record for one-and-a-half centuries, and how many generations of believers have acted on this "advice" to their detriment?
i.e. Declining to undertake College Education, putting off having families, not preparing for old age (a sore point with me these days - staring down the barrels of that, and with no retirement savings to speak of - all donated to the WTS!)
I regard them (the JWs) as a straight out menace in the community.
Bill.
they hold in reverence (godlike,deity) the gb.. when god (gb) speaks there is vital reason to listen.
d.c.. receiving jehovahs' (gb) instructions.d.c.. even when they made mistakes,jesus did not question,their motives.don't question gb motives.
"my follower" book.. new song book.one sister wrote"a delightful gift from jehovah(gb).yearbook 2011 why 2011 when year is only 11 days.old song book from jehovah(gb) had to many mistakes.however sister above taught it was a gift from jehovah when it first came out as all the other ones that had to be re-vised.. whatever the gb says it is from god per all j.w.. my conclusion j.w.
I start running out of unpleasant adjectives with which to describe the JWs:
- a good, old fashioned "Pain in the Backside" would be one appropriate description!
Bill.
remember the made up stories of witnesses in djibouti,africa where they had to walk 2 days in alligator infested waters with no shoes in the blazing sun to attend the meetings?
they made it to the meetings in these terrible conditions.. talk about made up stories!
here is a field service experience that was told at yesterday's public talk which would fall into the made up stories!.
The only "dog" story I know from field service was when I one day managed to stomp on ones head with my heel , as it came at me from behind (it was a rather low- to- the- ground type of breed, but could still have inflicted a serious enough bite).
There certainly were no angels about that day - none that I could see, anyway!
They have to come up with something to delay people from nodding off to sleep during their public talks, and "Never let the truth get in the way of a good Public Talk" seems to be as good a way as any!
Bill.
i've heard the statement from bible apologists so many times that the global flood story of genesis was not a global flood but was probably a local flood.
this seems problematic.. this directly disagrees with the bible.
everywhere the bible internally references a global flood of worldwide scale (i'll throw in matthew 24:39 as a nt example and genesis 6:17 as a ot example.
"Throwing away the bible" : - I threw away religion, in all its forms, when I broke with the JWs:
- they are all the bloody same, no matter who they are.
(I actually had little use for religion before I met up with the Witnesses. They, however, seemed to be somehow different - it took 28 years for the reality to become apparent).
The bible may be a reasonably accurate history of the Hebrew people - but that is all:
- Its stories about such things as Creation and The Flood were attempts by people to explain, as best they could, the things they saw around them or saw going on around them.
There could well have been a catastrophic flood somewhere, early in the history of the human race. It could indeed have happened in that area between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers in the Middle East . To the people involved, it may well have seemed that the "Whole World" - as they knew it - was inundated. But to insist, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that the whole Noachin story MUST be a literal one is surely taking matters far too far!
The problem is that if you agree to accept on blind faith such stories as this, then where does it end? You then proceed to go on to accept more and more unlikely stories, and end up convincing yourself that the bible/ the koran / the whatever is the inspired Word of God:
- then, you have set yourself up to be controlled and manipulated by some religion.
-and next thing you know you have just volunteered to be a suicide bomber / a burner of heretics at the stake / a sacrificer of your children (whether from refusing them a blood transfusion, or by burning them on an altar)/ or something else equally as harmful; but all in the name of religion (which you learned from some collection of scientifically inaccurate writings).
All I can say is leave me out of it - right from the bloody start!
Bill.
i have been noticing people posting on this site have a "deep" spiritual desire, but don't quite know how to find it, or where it is at.. this beg the question...do we need to be involved with a "religion" to find "spirituality"...especially an "organized religion"???.
anyone that has there eyes open can see that all religion is loosing their influence over people around the world...i spent 47 years thinking i was in the "truth" being one of jw's!
and now that i am out...and looking back from the "outside"...all i see is that its just another religion...filled with all the "control-grid" stuff found in any other group.. worse yet...they are worse than other religions...so it begs an answer..is there such thing as a "true religion"???.
Merely belonging to a religion does not in itself make a person spiritual:
- I have known more than a few regular church goers; all of whom being many things, but being spiritual is not one of them!
Conversely, "membership" of a religion is not an essential prerequisite for being spiritual.
This term "spiritual" is a very broad one, linked with the right-hand hemisphere of the human brain, which encompasses the intuitive / creative / artistic / imaginative type activities:
- and the often at complete loggerheads with rationality / analytic thinking type activities.
Therein be the problem - it makes it all too easy to be captured, controlled and exploited by some religion claiming itself to be "The Truth."
A little controlled silliness here and there may be harmless enough - but when it starts to demand throwing ones life away by refusing essential medical treatment (eg. blood therapy), suicide bombings or the like, then matters have surely gone too far!
So is there a "true" religion?:
- No, and steer clear of anyone who claims to represent such a thing, because such a claim is just a setup for mind control and manipulation.
Bill.
PS:The pity is that most of us here were once under the illusion that being "spiritual" meant hawking Watchtower products around people's doorsteps!
